| attack / weapon skill blunt | Sun Jul 18 04:59:35 2010 MST |
| just wanted to query why necro can learn weapon skill blunt, but not attack?
expert in wielding my stuff just dont know how to actually hit
someone with it? |
| >attack / weapon skill blunt | Sun Jul 18 14:59:13 2010 MST |
| On Sun Jul 18 04:59:35 2010 Chemosh wrote post #33:
> just wanted to query why necro can learn weapon skill blunt, but not attack?
>
> expert in wielding my stuff just dont know how to actually hit
> someone with it?
I assume it is because your staff is blunt. So they want you to be
able to stun a little? Dunno, really. haha |
| >>attack / weapon skill blunt | Sun Jul 18 15:59:45 2010 MST |
| On Sun Jul 18 14:59:13 2010 Esoteric wrote post #34:
> On Sun Jul 18 04:59:35 2010 Chemosh wrote post #33:
> > just wanted to query why necro can learn weapon skill blunt, but not
attack?
> >
> > expert in wielding my stuff just dont know how to actually hit
> > someone with it?
> I assume it is because your staff is blunt. So they want you to be
> able to stun a little? Dunno, really. haha
This is a good question |
| >>>attack / weapon skill blunt | Sun Jul 18 20:33:46 2010 MST |
| On Sun Jul 18 15:59:45 2010 Korthrun wrote post #35:
> On Sun Jul 18 14:59:13 2010 Esoteric wrote post #34:
> > On Sun Jul 18 04:59:35 2010 Chemosh wrote post #33:
> > > just wanted to query why necro can learn weapon skill blunt, but not
> attack?
> > >
> > > expert in wielding my stuff just dont know how to actually hit
> > > someone with it?
> > I assume it is because your staff is blunt. So they want you to be
> > able to stun a little? Dunno, really. haha
> This is a good question
I believe I answered this on myth already with a semi-detailed
thought bubble, but since nobody seems to care, I'll re-explain =)
pretty much EVERYTHING in the necro guild uses it's staff, therefor,
the necromancers have general knowledge of how to use it
effectively, HOWEVER, they are still a caster guild, meaning they
are not knowledgable in how to attack with it.
I put up an analogy of wielding a frying pan. Sure you know that
you're supposed to use the handle to hold it and bash people with it
because you've used them your entire life, but the simple fact is
that you probably don't know how to effectively use them in combat
to attack with. Therefor, if you actually get a lucky hit and hit
the target, chances are it will cause a large *THWACK*, but your
chances of actually hiting them are very small. |
| >>>>attack / weapon skill blunt | Mon Jul 19 09:26:20 2010 MST |
| On Sun Jul 18 20:33:46 2010 Maduo wrote post #36:
> On Sun Jul 18 15:59:45 2010 Korthrun wrote post #35:
> > On Sun Jul 18 14:59:13 2010 Esoteric wrote post #34:
> > > On Sun Jul 18 04:59:35 2010 Chemosh wrote post #33:
> > > > just wanted to query why necro can learn weapon skill blunt, but not
> > attack?
> > > >
> > > > expert in wielding my stuff just dont know how to actually hit
> > > > someone with it?
> > > I assume it is because your staff is blunt. So they want you to be
> > > able to stun a little? Dunno, really. haha
> > This is a good question
> I believe I answered this on myth already with a semi-detailed
> thought bubble, but since nobody seems to care, I'll re-explain =)
> pretty much EVERYTHING in the necro guild uses it's staff, therefor,
> the necromancers have general knowledge of how to use it
> effectively, HOWEVER, they are still a caster guild, meaning they
> are not knowledgable in how to attack with it.
> I put up an analogy of wielding a frying pan. Sure you know that
> you're supposed to use the handle to hold it and bash people with it
> because you've used them your entire life, but the simple fact is
> that you probably don't know how to effectively use them in combat
> to attack with. Therefor, if you actually get a lucky hit and hit
> the target, chances are it will cause a large *THWACK*, but your
> chances of actually hiting them are very small.
so by the same rationale all high charisma people should get the
bard song mastery. since we all think we can sing, we just arent
allowed to.
currentl WB blunt has no real use, unless i take 1 warrior level for
attack - which is just a cheap workaround |
| >>>>>attack / weapon skill blunt | Mon Jul 19 10:37:54 2010 MST |
| On Mon Jul 19 09:26:20 2010 Chemosh wrote post #37:
> On Sun Jul 18 20:33:46 2010 Maduo wrote post #36:
> > On Sun Jul 18 15:59:45 2010 Korthrun wrote post #35:
> > > On Sun Jul 18 14:59:13 2010 Esoteric wrote post #34:
> > > > On Sun Jul 18 04:59:35 2010 Chemosh wrote post #33:
> > > > > just wanted to query why necro can learn weapon skill blunt, but not
> > > attack?
> > > > >
> > > > > expert in wielding my stuff just dont know how to actually hit
> > > > > someone with it?
> > > > I assume it is because your staff is blunt. So they want you to be
> > > > able to stun a little? Dunno, really. haha
> > > This is a good question
> > I believe I answered this on myth already with a semi-detailed
> > thought bubble, but since nobody seems to care, I'll re-explain =)
> > pretty much EVERYTHING in the necro guild uses it's staff, therefor,
> > the necromancers have general knowledge of how to use it
> > effectively, HOWEVER, they are still a caster guild, meaning they
> > are not knowledgable in how to attack with it.
> > I put up an analogy of wielding a frying pan. Sure you know that
> > you're supposed to use the handle to hold it and bash people with it
> > because you've used them your entire life, but the simple fact is
> > that you probably don't know how to effectively use them in combat
> > to attack with. Therefor, if you actually get a lucky hit and hit
> > the target, chances are it will cause a large *THWACK*, but your
> > chances of actually hiting them are very small.
> so by the same rationale all high charisma people should get the
> bard song mastery. since we all think we can sing, we just arent
> allowed to.
>
> currentl WB blunt has no real use, unless i take 1 warrior level for
> attack - which is just a cheap workaround
I don't really follow your logic on the rationale there.. are you
saying that cha should effect bard songs?
I think it already does.. but if not, then I agree, it should =)
WSB does have a use though, it can do really high hits if you want
it to!, though the chance of those hits actually hitting is fairly
small/null
just consider it a perk of the guild chemosh, seeing as secondary
wsb would be nerfed because it would be a secondary skill |
| >>>>>attack / weapon skill blunt | Mon Jul 19 11:26:17 2010 MST |
| On Mon Jul 19 09:26:20 2010 Chemosh wrote post #37:
> On Sun Jul 18 20:33:46 2010 Maduo wrote post #36:
> > On Sun Jul 18 15:59:45 2010 Korthrun wrote post #35:
> > > On Sun Jul 18 14:59:13 2010 Esoteric wrote post #34:
> > > > On Sun Jul 18 04:59:35 2010 Chemosh wrote post #33:
> > > > > just wanted to query why necro can learn weapon skill blunt, but not
> > > attack?
> > > > >
> > > > > expert in wielding my stuff just dont know how to actually hit
> > > > > someone with it?
> > > > I assume it is because your staff is blunt. So they want you to be
> > > > able to stun a little? Dunno, really. haha
> > > This is a good question
> > I believe I answered this on myth already with a semi-detailed
> > thought bubble, but since nobody seems to care, I'll re-explain =)
> > pretty much EVERYTHING in the necro guild uses it's staff, therefor,
> > the necromancers have general knowledge of how to use it
> > effectively, HOWEVER, they are still a caster guild, meaning they
> > are not knowledgable in how to attack with it.
> > I put up an analogy of wielding a frying pan. Sure you know that
> > you're supposed to use the handle to hold it and bash people with it
> > because you've used them your entire life, but the simple fact is
> > that you probably don't know how to effectively use them in combat
> > to attack with. Therefor, if you actually get a lucky hit and hit
> > the target, chances are it will cause a large *THWACK*, but your
> > chances of actually hiting them are very small.
> so by the same rationale all high charisma people should get the
> bard song mastery. since we all think we can sing, we just arent
> allowed to.
>
> currentl WB blunt has no real use, unless i take 1 warrior level for
> attack - which is just a cheap workaround
Yet another 'expart' inane opinion by Maduo...and you wondered why
your 'thought bubble' was ignored the first time.
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| >>>>>>attack / weapon skill blunt | Mon Jul 19 11:37:06 2010 MST |
|
This is obviously not something I'll expect maduo to understand
since both the logic and self-awareness gene were somehow borken the
day they created his dna strands, but...
Logically it would stand to reason if you have a 'weapon skill' of
any sort, it implies having a skill to attack with that weapon, and
only Necromancer seems to be missing this oversight - while other
guilds, even Weaver (one you'd stand to reason would have the least
likihood of being capable of strong attacks) have the attack skill
within their tree.
In any case - oversight or not, simple enough to not train it, and
it also stands to reason that given the end-game mobs and dmg output
through other means, I doubt many if any (apart from an exp dump) in
caster classes bother to train either attack or weapon skill x.
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| >>>>>>>attack / weapon skill blunt | Mon Jul 19 12:18:20 2010 MST |
| while it "stands to reason" that you would have the skill to attack
with that weapon, you can optionally not train attack and only train
weapon skill blunt.
i'll make this easier though, and explain attack and wsb in ways you
guys can understand:
attack == accuracy.
weapon skill blunt = ability to properly use weapon.
100% weapon skill blunt = you can do all the cool tricks with the weapon.
100% attack + 100% weapon skill blunt = you can do all the cool
attacks and actually hit your target.
I took martial arts in high school, and i could do all the cool
things they taught us to do with nunchucks. i could not, for the
life of me, have hit someone with them on the first try if i were
actually in a fight. attack is the ability to allow yourself, not
only to exercize the strength and power of the weapon, but hit with
it in a combat setting.
necromancers do not learn how to fight. they learn how to use a staff. |
| >>>>>>>>attack / weapon skill blunt | Mon Jul 19 12:23:13 2010 MST |
| On Mon Jul 19 12:18:20 2010 Open wrote post #41:
> attacks and actually hit your target.
>
> I took martial arts in high school, and i could do all the cool
> things they taught us to do with nunchucks. i could not, for the
> life of me, have hit someone with them on the first try if i were
> actually in a fight. attack is the ability to allow yourself, not
> only to exercize the strength and power of the weapon, but hit with
> it in a combat setting.
>
> necromancers do not learn how to fight. they learn how to use a staff.
But but but..it's weaponskill blunt.
What if I exploited a bug that allowed me to unwield my staff, and
then wielded a club
WHERE WOULD YOUR LOGIC BE THEN?!?! |
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